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Welcome Everyone!! Glad to be here! can anyone confirm the community learning website? I am having trouble getting communitylearning.com to load. http://communitylearning.wordpress.... @http://www.nilspeterson.com/ hai guy Victoria, I vote for twitter & chatzy ;) Thank goodness for tabs. Wow, does this suck on an iPad. Now that higher ed facing similar accountability attack as k-12..site and possibility for unified resistance? I am being rate limited on twitter so I can't search for #p3workshop. Anyone have a favorite site to follow hashtags? @Jade, Twitter is blocking my searches, too Thanks Ruby! The hootsuite solution is perfect. Easily retweetable. :) Concern: what is public? Who is expert? In K-12 that has meant state and corporate testing companies. Teachers now have little to no control over assessment structures in their own classrooms @Amanda, I think the issue you brought up shows that even with peer to peer assessment there is still the need for a professor to oversee. @Amanda maybe 50/50 grading and the prof will take peer feedback in to consideration of their portion of the grade? @Amanda: Make it a weighted grade -- part teacher, part community feedback. http://www.nativewiki.org/Margo_Tam... sounds like performance ethnography. @http://ubc.academia.edu/TAMEZMARGO @amanda fan of project runway? that is exactly what they did last episode..50% public, 50% expertise @Bridget - perhaps greater investment in the end product would lead to more engagement in the process? @Bridget, that is why I said it sounds like performance ethnography. One of the things you have to explain is what is the end result of this for the community we are participating in and what are the possible benefits/risk to the community? @bridget - peer, community, self! @Amanda great question! We constantly ask these questions in k-12. Kids= citizens or workers http://cogsci.uwaterloo.ca/Biograph... That's a collection of titles by Paul Thagard Yes, crowd sourcing grading is a reconstruction -- IF the crowd has access to the criteria and can discuss the criteria. I gave a Prezi at a conference where nobody had seen it and people thought I was a genius :-P Unobtrusive does feel like surveillance. Mark: the nuance is everything here. How overt is the watching? The background for me here is Google spying, I'm afraid... Like that example. Not quite, since knowing has an impact on performance. Love the focus on assessment today. We are very interested in building some of these new assessment models at P2PU. If anyone here would like to co-tinker/build, please let me know. More info on workshop we are hosting later this month: pad.p2pu.org/assessment-workshop nils: what about the value of formal/informal spaces as places where students can try out new things (fail successfully) and new identities? Sep 10 @ruby tx for the new view! Library of Congress subject terms only recently scrapped the category Cookery in favor of more modern term. LoC also categorizes women under men, if I remember correctly.
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 * Ruby@HASTAC **: Welcome, Julie. Sep 10
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 * David Bell **: Looking forward to the discussion! Sep 10
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 * anaventura **: hello everyone! Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: to twitter or to chatzy - that is the question Sep 10
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 * Mark Olson **: :) Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: Live demos are dangerous Sep 10
 * anaventura **: Anne sorry I was rushing too much caffeine and english not as 1st language;) Sep 10
 * Mark Olson **: Hmmmm . . . wish the "perspective" section of the eval wasn't a radio button . . . hybrid identities fall through the cracks. Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: I am Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: your assessment should use checkboxes instead of radio buttons for the "perspective comment" - I bet half the people in this room wear more than one hat. Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: MO: jinx Sep 10
 * catherine Angst **: i don't wear any of those hats Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: @Cat: Yes and that is a real problem too - media creator/producers are true partners in this field and should be at the virtual table Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Texas a&m is looking at evaluating profs on a bottom line basis Sep 10
 * Mark Olson **: @Vic - preach it! Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: @Amanda: the bigger the idea, the higher the $ value? ;) Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Ahahaha don't we wish! Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: @Jade: showing my age? Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: @bg it does. And twitter is no better :( Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: @Victoria Per your earlier question: hopefully both (Twitter & chat)! Sep 10
 * Sam **: I'm on an iPad. You need to find the join chat button to post normally. Its un the vat bat. Sep 10
 * Mark Olson **: topic for future discussion -- what constitutes a peer? along what vectors of difference/sameness? Sep 10
 * Sam **: *chat bar Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: >>blush<< Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: some will lose it Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: ....And the whole backchannel blushes. ;-) Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: I definitely agree that identifying bigger problems that cross course boundaries is a very valuable 'tude Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: Chatters, don't forget to click "Join chat>>" at the bottom of this window. It will improve he experience. Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Making backchannel blush might keep us on track? Seems like a good tactic Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: every room clearly needs at least 3 projectors Sep 10
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 * Susan **: I'm assuming the powerpoints will be or are available to us Sep 10
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 * Mark Olson **: i'm struck by how often music training is deployed as context for learning Sep 10
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 * Ruby@HASTAC **: @Jade, try using a Twitter client like Seesmic or Hootsuite. You can make a column for the search. Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: Isn't there a physicality about musical performance that makes this a bit of a hard sell? (Speaking from utter ignorance) Sep 10
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 * Mike Widner **: Meaning the physical aspects aren't learned? Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: I'll also add a widget so you can see tweets at http://www.hastac.org/blogs/ruby-si... in a moment. Sep 10
 * Mark Olson **: not sure what you mean, Vic? Sep 10
 * Anna Beck **: i learned how to play guitar and sing using youtube Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: @Anna - fair enought! Sep 10
 * whitney trettien **: @Anna me too, for ukulele Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @victoria - No different than learning art history from a book? Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: Oh, I forgot, you can already see the tweets at http://hastacscholars.wikispaces.co... Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: @Elliott: also inadequate transmediation but maybe doesn't negate value? Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: cool visualzation on Bach! Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: Yeah as a former orch nerd one of the coolest things I've seen in a while Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: OK, so pay attention to what the specific mode does best. Sep 10
 * Elliott **: Seems to me that a youtube video of a master class 1) provides an experience that's unavailable any other way but 2) encapsulates it so that the days, weeks, years leading to mastery seem more accessible than they are Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: experimenting w blogs this summer made me shy about leaving detailed commentary on student posts Sep 10
 * MCL **: I think the online music community tends to be very different from the "live" music community, not equivalent content Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: @Amanda - say more? Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: even tho their classmates probably weren't reading others' work anyway Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: What about the semi-public sphere? Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: Bigger than a course, small than the universe? Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: Public at what level? Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: well even when I could tell that they had not read or played their games I didn't feel comfortable calling them out in front of peers Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: (We've got 30 users in this chat room now!) Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: @Amanda -so would it be easier to do that in person than online? (online record, social anxiety etc.) Sep 10
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 * Julian Lombardi **: We are soaked in same meme pool Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: interesting - feature article status in wikipedia Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: @Vic or in a private channel. Handing back comments on paper instead of in forum visible to others Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: What if nobody got featured? No sliding scale in experimental situation? Sep 10
 * whitney trettien **: Uncertain how I feel about connecting traditional letter grade to whims of the community... mixing two different institutional values Sep 10
 * Mike Widner **: See the outrage over Cathy's crowd-sourced grading. Lots of people invested in the idea of teacher authority and judgment through grades. Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: I've also not paid much attn to uni privacy rules, but aren't they antsy ab student work featured publicly? Sep 10
 * MCL **: "institution-enhanced community learning" like the idea, not sure i like specifics @whitney Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: it justifies our professional existence Sep 10
 * anaventura **: In most videos Nils showed, there is this idea of a 'culture of the amateur" taking over the "culture of the professional" (as Anne talks about...) Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: Baby, bathwater...? Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: unless we rethink who we are Sep 10
 * Mike Widner **: Amanda, I think public student work is ok, if the students ok it. Grades and personal information, not so much. If I understand FERPA correctly, but IANAL. Sep 10
 * John Jones **: @Whitney & @Victoria, maybe the point was illustrating the problems with traditional letter grades? A+ to A isn't a big grade drop Sep 10
 * anaventura **: this is a complex theme... just look at crowdsourcing in the news and the crisis in journalism... Sep 10
 * whitney trettien **: @John true, but I didn't hear what grade the student would get if their project failed according to community standards? Sep 10
 * whitney trettien **: (only A+ for excellent, A for good) Sep 10
 * John Jones **: @Ana, it seemed like nearly half of the people in the videos were experts Sep 10
 * anaventura **: (sorry I meant amateru vs professional culture is a ethically loaded issue.:) Sep 10
 * anaventura **: *amateur (gosh!):) Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: I'm still stuck on the idea that maybe we can have different levels of "public" and "community" rather than an all-or-nothing approach Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: How do instructors deal w collaborations of students that guarantee grades to each other? We have a lot of frats that would love such an opportunity Sep 10
 * John Jones **: @Whitney, good point, but it doesn't sound like community failure = course failure Sep 10
 * MCL **: authenticity/real-world as a pedagogical ideal is great. the web community is authentic to what? itself? Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: Applied... Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: I def think we need to engage w/ stakeholders in problems we are attempting to solve Sep 10
 * Mike Widner **: Also, how to avoid the trolls? Someone has to assess the community, too. Sep 10
 * anaventura **: @John- that brings another issue : what is an expert? and how do expert/ amateur/ professional play together?:) For me (with some exceptions) most featured folks were non "professionals" Sep 10
 * Elliott **: RE: Chat - hard to say something relevant and well thought out cause it%u2019s moving so fast. many different topics. Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: @jade so what is a potential mechanism for that? Professorial override? Grade haxx! Sep 10
 * John Jones **: @Ana, at least two of the violin videos featured experts. But, yes, it does make us question "expertise" Sep 10
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 * John Jones **: @Mike, Wikipedia has a pretty strong troll-policing structure Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: OK, new ISIS course topic: Virtual Communities of Expertise Sep 10
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 * Ruby@HASTAC **: FYI folks, you need the mic if you want to be on the recording of the workshop! Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: @Ruby: what if we are shy? Sep 10
 * John Jones **: @Victoria, I think that release we signed had a clause saying that we agree not to be shy today :) Sep 10
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 * Ruby@HASTAC **: @Victoria: What John said. Collaboration and engagement require taming our shy sides. ;-) Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: @JJ: Oh but that codicil I inserted about not speech-to-texting my oral comments when in breaks where I am at the coffee urn still applies! Sep 10
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 * Bridget Draxler **: If the community evaluates, might they be even more invested in an "end product" than learning? Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: @juliekeane: actually last night they had another good concept: one outlines, the other executes - great peer learning/collaboration concept materialized Sep 10
 * John Jones **: @Victoria, hmmm. I need to have my lawyers look at that%u2026 Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: @Julie oh cool. Wasn't American idol hijacked for a while with a "bad" contestant held on through audience interference? Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: @Bridget - good point: process versus product orientation (where process includes theory, critique, analysis, history along the way) Sep 10
 * Bridget Draxler **: @Victoria: A combo of peer and community might better balance process and end product? Sep 10
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 * Mike Widner **: We also have the issue of getting students to buy in to seeing learning as continuing. Many get their grade then see that topic as closed. Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: also what = end product? Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: grade? Project? Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: True also that focus on an end product - like an essay - as the culmination or instance of a conversation might a useful shift for some private paper-submission oriented teaching Sep 10
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 * John Jones **: @Mike, exactly Sep 10
 * Elliott **: too bad Microsoft's research doesn't inform their products at all. at least they publish! Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: A form of brain drain? Sep 10
 * Mike Widner **: Google Research Labs are a good model of a tech company publishing, trying out their research ideas, etc. Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: [Reminder, click "Join Chat>>>" at the bottom of the screen to get the full chat experience. Talking to you Fiona, Jade, Julie, Grace...] Sep 10
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 * Grace Hagood **: Oh, hey, how 'bout that. :) Sep 10
 * Jade **: I was wondering what that bar next to some of us was about. Sep 10
 * Grace Hagood **: <- noob! Sep 10
 * Elliott **: I read this article by a Microsoft researcher profiling users. they did an amazing study of mobile business professionals in 1997. Hit it right on the head and business hasn't changed. but their studies of teens in 200-2003 fell flat because they couldn't understand the users. The story of the company in user experience research. Sep 10
 * Nancy Kimberly **: <--nuther one Sep 10
 * Jade **: Grace, it should be n00b, & me too. Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: We're all noobs here, Grace. Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: OK, now we are getting into the idea of the various publics Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Ian Bogost says Prezi eats kittens. Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: @Jade, quite right. #n00b. Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: Paul Thegard? (SP?) Sep 10
 * Elliott **: language, concepts, credentials --> socially mediated Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: @Amanda. Heh. Prezi does make my head hurt sometimes, but some people seem to be bale to use it better than others. Depends on your cogitive style, I think. Sep 10
 * Elliott **: crowdsource grading --> social reconstruction? Sep 10
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 * Dixie **: Thanks Fiona! Sep 10
 * Nancy Kimberly **: Gibson's story re: ASU's new credentialing of teachers of exceptional children is also exactly what is happening in the world of yoga teachers. The only country that currently has bona fide credentialing for them is Britain. Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: @fiona: ty! Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: David sent me a preview of the prezi and my head was spinning! Glad he's here to narrate Sep 10
 * Dixie **: @amanda, Prezi is hard to understand without the narrative! :) Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: I think he's coined a new term! You saw it here, folks. Sep 10
 * Mike Widner **: Anyone have the URL to his presentation? I don't want to try and type it in from what I'm seeing on screen. Sep 10
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 * John Jones **: @Dixie, @Amanda: ditto with all slide shows. I only rarely understand anything on Slideshare Sep 10
 * John Jones **: @Mike, its on screen Sep 10
 * Mike Widner **: http://prezi.com/14bpz9tg3t2j/asses... Sep 10
 * John Jones **: @Mike mea culpa Sep 10
 * Mike Widner **: :) Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: benignopticon Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Ha yeah. Surveillance grading Sep 10
 * Grace Hagood **: Will the presentations be available on the HASTAC website after today? Sep 10
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 * Jade **: Sometimes the babies don't learn to walk if you don't stand them up first, right? Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: Here's the link to David Gibson's presentation: http://prezi.com/14bpz9tg3t2j/asses... Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: thAt was the hidden camera evaluating us! Sep 10
 * Grace Hagood **: Thanks. Sep 10
 * Mark Olson **: @David: yes, but I think after Foucault we need a more nuanced understanding of the difference between surveillance (where observation is articulated to a particular technology of control) versus "just looking" Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: I don't want to be knee-jerk anxious about this - thinks like after action review in games are really awesome tools - but where's the line? Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: I suppose if you know it is on the computer you know it is fair game? Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: @mark "just looking" is a hostile act to so many groups tho Sep 10
 * Mike Widner **: So in a computational model, the instructor would spend time determining task models, evidence, etc.? Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: (until you turn on the web cam secretly) Sep 10
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 * Mark Olson **: yes, of course. I wouldn't want to leave that term uninterrogated. But it's an honest question about forms of visuality that aren't equated with violence. Sep 10
 * juliekeane **: Agree about concerns over surveillance but in world of public school classrooms...unfortunate​ly that is a given Sep 10
 * jpm **: but the very notion of a passive observer is problematic. Observers structure situations, select, etc. Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: Adaptive testing: speaking of which - glad I took the GRE before the test decides whether to dumb down on the basis of skipped Qs Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: @Julie this is true. Sep 10
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 * Jade **: where is the collaboration? Is there room to collaborate rather than survey? Sep 10
 * juliekeane **: Absolutely..this can not be hidden. All observational structures need to be completely transparent. Sep 10
 * Bridget Draxler **: @David: good point. And are they looking back? Two-directional looking is less aggressive. Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: @juliekeane: but isn't his point that invisibility (as opposed to transparency) is part of what is desirable to do this kind of assessment? Sep 10
 * Jade **: @Victoria, the dumbing down of questions makes it so your aren't surprised at a really low score? Sep 10
 * Mark Olson **: @ David. Agreed Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: I never did figure out the Rubiks Cube Sep 10
 * Dixie **: I like the audience categories, bc the public is not necessarily the same as "trusted others" -- that's an important segment Sep 10
 * Elliott **: re surveillance: Affordance isn't the same as best practice. Imagine an instructor being able to see then entire revision history of an essay- that's an [undeveloped] affordance of digital that the typwriter couldn't conceive of. Sep 10
 * Elliott **: Way different than instructor looking into the webcam as you write Sep 10
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 * juliekeane **: @victoria..hmm thinking of reality tv..participants know camera there but after awhile ignore its presence. Isn't that what we all do online? Sep 10
 * Bridget Draxler **: @Elliott and it's not just that ht instructor can see the whole process... the student can see their own process differently too. Sep 10
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 * Jade **: I'm not buying reality TV participants forget that the camera is there. Plus, most of those shows are scripted to a degree, thus the disclaimers about producer input. Sep 10
 * Sam Iglesias **: This chat is a distraction. I can't process lecture and discussion at once. Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: @Dixie - I agree.. Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: @Elliot i find paper trails of drafts easier to compare than digi ones. Easy to save over. Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: Ah now I get "sonnet" better Sep 10
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 * Grace Hagood **: It's actually the performative aspects of eportfolios and other digital productions that I find so interesting, actually. Sep 10
 * Philipp **: ah ... i hadn't "joined" the chat (outed as super n00b) Sep 10
 * Jade **: Me too Grace Sep 10
 * Mark Olson **: @Grace - can you say more? Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: Re: portfolios - often it is the act of having to pull it together - reconstruct the history - that becomes a review and reflection. Sep 10
 * MCL **: @Sam I'm having the same trouble! I am paying a lot of attention as a result to the difficulty of mulit-tasking, though Sep 10
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 * Jade **: @Victoria, plus portfolios are for a specific audience and purpose so people generally try to construct a specific narrative. Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: So are these nodes equally weighted? Back to qs from last press Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: pres not press. Brrr autocorrect Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: (FYI, I've changed the setting so folks will immediately "Join" the chat after selecting a display name.) Sep 10
 * Sam Iglesias **: Partially I find the slides to be too cluttered. Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: double fail. Sep 10
 * Grace Hagood **: I think (coming from the standpoint of teaching composition) that students are better able to understand not only issues of audience, but also their own agency as authors when they're involved in producing digital work that they know is going to be available online. Sep 10
 * Elliott **: re: chat - also having toruble absorbing both. but maybe multitasking attention spans need this? it it a net gain over a presentation alone? Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: @Amanda: you decide on bubble size based on your knowledge of the domain? Sep 10
 * Grace Hagood **: They're very tuned into how they present themselves in a public digital context, often. Sep 10
 * whitney trettien **: having same problem with chat. find twitter easier bc of character restrictions. Sep 10
 * Bridget Draxler **: Grace, I completely agree. Citing sources, for instance, somehow suddenly seems important, right? Sep 10
 * Sam Iglesias **: It's too much. Reading the slides, reading the chat, listening to talk, responding. Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: Metadata generation => keycapture? Sep 10
 * Elliott **: re: digital affordances - Prezi is great example of blowing past limitations of paper that PPT inherited. But I agree that paper is much better at other things- no paperkiller technology yet... Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: @grace I will probably make the forum more open next time. But does it feel public to them if no one from the outside is responding? Sep 10
 * Elliott **: Human and Computational interpretation shouldn't overlap in that diagram...or at least the inputs and methodology don't overlap Sep 10
 * MCL **: Any one catch that definition of machine? Sep 10
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 * Robert Duvall **: Relevant? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/h... Sep 10
 * Jade **: @Amanda, how is response being judged? Sep 10
 * Grace Hagood **: @amanda I think it feels public as long as the class has access, but no doubt that's compounded if outside readers are allowed. Sep 10
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 * Elliott **: interesting grades/risk viz...needs tuning though to represent patterns better though Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: I mean if you make a forum public, will students treat it as such if no one from the outside is posting? The Internet is a big place and can feel empty Sep 10
 * Jade **: cloud resourced internet is the machine is what I have Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: I like the computer vision and map examples as general discovery principles to be integrated into humanities teaching Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: LOVE badges! Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: like game achievements Sep 10
 * MCL **: Thanks, Jade! Sep 10
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 * Grace Hagood **: Good question. Seems like something like the badges could help facilitate discussion; maybe a nice tie-in to what we were just discussing. Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @amanda- forums as RPGs Sep 10
 * Grace Hagood **: (I'm also a softie for badges!) Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Gm can grant exp based on quality of posts Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: Public space for students to work on toy assignment will not draw a real community. That is why you need real problems situated in real communities Sep 10
 * Elliott **: interesting concept. new abilities, charectoristics. not hierarchical- allows for specialization Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: And ppl can grant each other exp by responding as well. Maybe Mary Kay style pyramid exp scheme? Sep 10
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 * Grace Hagood **: @nils Agreed. Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: Badges become community visible assessment criteria Sep 10
 * Jade **: @Nils, I think it is good for practice though so students feel comfortable going out to real communities. Sep 10
 * Fiona **: here is David's ASU page: https://webapp4.asu.edu/directory/p... Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @nils - strikes me that this cuts out the educational middleman. education is valuable theoretically because it will allow dealing with real problems. why not learn on the real thing? like an apprentice model
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: PSA: Folks having trouble with the display of this chatroom may want to use @http://chatzy.com/p3workshop or @http://m.chatzy.com/p3workshop Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: Seems like an intermediate step is to use these tools like we do clickers - take the temperature of the room, not so much individual trajectories, given our immersive digital environment building is so experimental and standards of what constitutes "goodness" haven't yet been developed Sep 10
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 * Nilspete **: @jade. Learners do need to understand and develop these skills. But I'd argue, dare to be bold. Sep 10
 * Dixie **: @elliot,
 * Elliott **: @nils & victoria - great point. communities create, define, enable 'goodness'. building them will catalyze this. Sep 10
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 * Dixie **: can students explore as successfully in a public setting where they may not feel as supported? Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @Dix interesting. I think the community needs to be narrow enough to provide context for success and or identity creation Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: An informal place to practice is important, it's going to require other means of getting feedback. I'm planning a project with elementary kids in wikipedia. I think we'll use the history page and the user personal page Sep 10
 * Elliott **: Public is a scary word. but by community I hear a selected group with shared attention space Sep 10
 * Dixie **: yes, absolutely. Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: @Amanda, thanks for repping the back channel! I hope folks will speak up to bring this conversation into the room. Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: Yes we use wikipedia in ISIS classes when we talk about new forms of knowledge production - shows the strengths, flaws, and hidden control structures... Sep 10
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 * Bridget Draxler **: Sometimes the pressure of performing in front of a community can raise the stakes (and the quality of the work) in a good way! Sep 10
 * Jade **: @nils, I agree it is important to be bold but it goes back to the question of making sure communities that have a history of not being included are integrated. Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: @Dixie. Look at the exploration in YouTube. Music is a good example Sep 10
 * Elliott **: [thought]- what if the chat was front and center and presentation was on the side? Sep 10
 * Dixie **: I think people receive feedback differently depending on whether it's in a public environment (where other people are "watching") or in a community of true peers Sep 10
 * Elliott **: [thought]- what if one of you is sitting next to me and I dont know it! ha Sep 10
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 * Sam Iglesias **: Chatty chat Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: Lol Sep 10
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 * Nilspete **: @Elliott. Yes context matters. A reason to work in public is for many of us, there are few collaborators and by being public we hope to find colleagues. The value of finding colleagues outweighs the rough and tumble for me Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: The great Prezi debate! Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: For everyone, prezi wars I think started at the humanities gaming institute, where ab and ib were expert panelists Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: uh oh Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: couple people, myself included, repping hgi today :) Sep 10
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 * Nilspete **: Blog everything. Nobody may read. That is OK Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: (hi grace :D) Sep 10
 * Grace Hagood **: (Hi, Amanda :D) Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @nils, mark - Mark's suggestion about exploring 'peer' - people inhabiting a shared attention space? move past novice/expert to share interest - like nils finding colleagues Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: Frim Mike Widner on Twitter: Balsamo's site: http://designingculture.net Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: interesting to create a project so intentionally in so many modes - wonder which came first? (if any) Sep 10
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 * Elliott **: coming back to digital affordances/privacy- be interesting to map or visualize web sties visited by participants of P3... Sep 10
 * Elliott **: e.g. I just found out about humanities gaming institute Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: @Elliot: +1 Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: Can't really surf much. Multitasking is not easy on iPad Sep 10
 * Mark Olson **: @Elliott - I like that because it moves toward a model of investment/contribution rather than a priori status Sep 10
 * Elliott **: chatting inversely proportional to speed of image changing on screen? Sep 10
 * John Jones **: @Amanda, for real Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: I agree about portfolios Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: commercial software tends to impede tinkering Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: would have brought MacBook but its wireless is shot. Apple multiple fail. Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: speaking of commecial entities that oppose tinkeing Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @julian - yes. founders of great corporations turn tinkering into business models. open source builds tinkering into a sustained process so you avoid the microsoft ossification Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: That trend with Apple is alarming Sep 10
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 * Mark Olson **: In relation to material/digital tinkering, we're starting up an arduino/processing interest group here at Duke. Drop me an email if you're interested in helping us get this off the ground. Hoping to have our first meeting in the next few weeks. Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: @Julian, that trend has led me to forsake my Apple fangirl status. I only buy open source now! Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: self made conditions are not sellable Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: @ruby ditto Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: Tinkerers self assess. Does it work for me. The community assesses, does it work for us Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: @ruby I am almost there Sep 10
 * Elliott **: Apple, Google, microsoft are anti tinkering, but are successful in proportion to how well they understand their users and can anticipate what they need. Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: @Amanda But you are using an iPad? Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: tho iPad was unavoidable as best ereader on the market Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: Apple shut down Hypercard a long time ago Sep 10
 * Elliott **: try to search for articles or strange punctuation marks on google... Sep 10
 * Elliott **: articles = a, the Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: BUT structured stable systems also scaffold access (not that I don't heart open source) Sep 10
 * Mike Widner **: Linux community is made up of tinkerers. Not self-assessing when they decide which patches go into the kernal, for example. Sep 10
 * Mike Widner **: err... kernel Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: yes. It was a gift from someone who tried to get me the Que first, but the product was cancels Sep 10
 * Mark Olson **: Clarification: Group is open to all, not just official @Duke affiliates Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: canceled Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: whats a pen? Sep 10
 * Elliott **: in the past, laptops were provided. now, pen and paper... Sep 10
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 * Dixie **: LOL :) Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: Get ready to get interactive, y'all! Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: uh oh - about to get a hand cramp Sep 10
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 * Ruby@HASTAC **: "Connected independence" is going to be very small in the tag cloud. ;-) Sep 10
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 * Jade **: openness is special Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Very few of these terms deal with expertise. More focus on relationships Sep 10
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 * Victoria Szabo **: maybe we assume the expertise is the given? Sep 10
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 * Jade **: or maybe collaborations create an expertise? Sep 10
 * Mark Olson **: or expertise is relational Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: That would be nice but not my experience in all collabs! Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: I was gunning for synthesis... Sep 10
 * Jade **: two minds are better than one in positive collaborations. Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: The sytax of this tag cloud allows multiple-word labels. Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: err, syNtax Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: On the topic of plugs: The FHI Experiencing Virtual Worlds Working Group meets on Friday, 9/17 for our organizational meeting for the year. East Duke 111 at 330 Friday 9/17. Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: @Ruby - you can't see the underscores Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: I love how this exercise both teaches the form of a tag cloud and also questions how we understand them. Sep 10
 * Elliott **: very similar to interrogating your data in science. method constrains results Sep 10
 * Elliott **: I'd see the ratio of the number of instances of the most popular tag to total number of tags as a measure of diversity Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: @Elliot I like that Sep 10
 * Elliott **: but ass Anne is saying that's a measure of the crowd, not something we can learn content from Sep 10
 * Elliott **: uh oh turn on safesearch Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: I feel filtered Sep 10
 * Elliott **: the quantum indeterminacy of insight Sep 10
 * Jade **: I now I feel like I'm in a real chat room. Sep 10
 * Elliott **: can't measure position and velocity at the same time Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: Normed to the community Sep 10
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 * Julian Lombardi **: Intellectual-X Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: how about make them dynamic front ends to databases of content? Sep 10
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 * Nilspete **: The differences could become reflected in different assessment criteria Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: Experts choose Sep 10
 * Elliott **: use of tag cloud comparable to arithmetic mean - easy to produce, but limited usefulness except in specific situations? Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: experts are chosen Sep 10
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 * Jade **: @Julian is choosing and act of creation? Sep 10
 * LD Baker **: I liked the idea of Taxonomy of Tinkering, and tinkering with clouds Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: @Jade Yes - at a meta-level Sep 10
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 * Julian Lombardi **: buit it involves power dynamics of legitimacy Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Having worked a bit assigning keywords to early modern texts (NOT my field), I am skeptical of the process of categorizing! Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: @Elliot. Arithmetic mean is more useful when you add StdDev Sep 10
 * LD Baker **: So, are we left with the tyranny of the majority or experts assigning? Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: "Tha would be the needle in the HASTAC." -bglassman Sep 10
 * Robert Duvall **: choosing is certainly an act of destruction Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: The above quotation was referring to the reverse tag cloud idea. Sep 10
 * Victoria Szabo **: @Robert: that sounds biblical Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @LD - no other choice. we accept Library of Congress or we build our own system or we accept taxonomic anarchy. the arbitrary and constraining features of taxonomy are inherent Sep 10
 * Elliott **: beware of the false possibility of a 'freeing' taxonomy Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: I find this really interesting in terms of student pop too. Many of the students I work with wouldn't be familiar w tag clouds Sep 10
 * Jade **: are systems of classification and organization inherently bad? Sep 10
 * Mike Widner **: on categorization, see Lakoff, _Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things_ Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: They facilitate understanding of patterns Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: what you do with that information is the issue Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @mike- second recommendation of that book i've heard this week. I'm sold Sep 10
 * Jade **: I just added the book to my wishlist. Thanks for the rec. Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @jade - no. I think good/bad are subjective as in they come into play during perception. Inherent properties are more structural. The point is to understand Sep 10
 * Grace Hagood **: Something for the game scholars to consider. From a fellow Humanities Gaming Institute tweeter: How is tinkering different from playing? Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: I now have a better understanding of group-think around collaboration Sep 10
 * Elliott **: Classification is neccessary. All I'm saying is that arguing for a new way of classification won't alleviate the inefficiencies of the process Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Can someone toss me the Twitter feed link again? Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: http://twitter.com/search?q=P3Works... Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: You can also see tweets at http://www.hastac.org/blogs/ruby-si... Sep 10
 * Julian Lombardi **: ... and we have heard that groups are bad at making good decisions Sep 10
 * MCL **: @Elliot @Jade -- I agree. If you understand the categorization and it's limits, it's not such a Foucault problem Sep 10
 * patrick hayes **: circuit bending is a playful tinkering that often involves "breaking" as part of the process. Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @mcl - I'd even suggest that Foucault shouldn't be seen as identifying a problem about classification- at least one that can be solved. maybe instead he described a process whereby unethical/undesirable actions were supported. not against structure, but for restructuring? similar to current comment Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: This is ot but if anyone has a rec for iPad twitter app, tweet deck is failing me today. Sep 10
 * MCL **: You can make book recommendations to your local librarian, what if you could make subject heading recommendations to the Lib of Cong? Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @ mcl aleviates some problems- exacerbates others. you end up getting close to California politics Sep 10
 * MCL **: @ elliot good point. Sep 10
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 * Elliott **: Anyone got ideas from the presentations or discussions that resonate? Sep 10
 * Elliott **: For me: mediated or 'designed' interactive experiences incorporating 'badges' as learning/assessment tools - could mix quantitative (# posts, edited posts, etc) with qualitative (instructor designates a student as an 'integrator' of ideas students designate each other as 'helpers' of peers etc) Sep 10
 * Elliott **: For me #2: taking a look at 'backchannels' and other emerging technologies and developing social conventions that help integrate them into learning (parts of presentations to check out backchannel insights). this could include a study of backchannel usage vs. personality type, attention as measured by eye tracking, and other measurements so we can understand how these systems affect learning Sep 10
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 * Elliott **: Samantha just showed me this interesting video on eye-tracking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w29D... Sep 10
 * Elliott **: it maps where the person's eyes went in real time Sep 10
 * Elliott **: (on a google results page) Sep 10
 * projector **: Get ready to unconference! Sep 10
 * projector **: The back row has been warned... ;-) Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: Embrace chaos. Sep 10
 * Jade **: and then organize it. Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: this backchannel has been quite respectful! :P Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: @Elliott. I'm interested in the badge as assessment ideas. Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @Amanda: Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: @Elliot :( Sep 10
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 * Jade **: http://hastacscholars.wikispaces.co... Sep 10
 * Bridget Draxler **: here's the list: http://hastacscholars.wikispaces.co... Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: @nils Also class assessment as rpg! Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: I think we have a quorum for gaming and pedagogy session Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @Amanda  Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: woot Sep 10
 * Clare **: definitely interested in gaming and pedagogy! Sep 10
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 * Jade **: Scott Pilgirm ftw Sep 10
 * David Gibson **: I'll join in the gaming and pedagogy Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: @Amanda. Expand rpg Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Role playing game. Experience points, leveling up, new abilities, etc Sep 10
 * David Gibson **: this ties with the "badges" idea too Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: @Amanda thnx Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: badges remind me of gaming achievements Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: yes David :) Sep 10
 * Elliott **: alignment: good/evil lawful/chaotic no hierarchy, just choices Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: chaotic good conference Sep 10
 * Supersecret **: identity is overrated Sep 10
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 * Nilspete **: @Amanda@David. Is there a conversation about who defines the badges -- the assessment criteria? Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: In game design Sep 10
 * David Gibson **: @Nils. the game-master Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: not that I'm aware. ATM it is developer whimsy Sep 10
 * David Gibson **: who creates the magic circle Sep 10
 * David Gibson **: Its a good question similar to who "owns" the community Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: but there are convos about good achievement design Sep 10
 * David Gibson **: yep Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: @supersecret. Interesting comment. It seems to me that stabile identity is a key to building reputation. Sep 10
 * Elliott **: @nils - for RPGs there's the Official Dungeons and Dragons rules that are very numerical and increasingly complex- but you can change them if you want. what if there were an educational standards body publishing something similar... Sep 10
 * David Gibson **: might exist already but has not been put into gamer language yet Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: Bc of social media aspects of some consoles, gamers can earn pts so achievement design should be ab balancing difficulty and time investment w reward Sep 10
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 * Jade **: xbox love has an interesting community based around their achievement system. Sep 10
 * Supersecret **: identity forces conformity in reputation-based systems Sep 10
 * Elliott **: We've totally hijacked the backchannel. I think my pitch will have to be about something else! Sep 10
 * David Gibson **: haha Sep 10
 * Supersecret **: I am now feeling more empowered Sep 10
 * David Gibson **: @supersecret. and you can have lots of identities within and across communities, right? Sep 10
 * David Gibson **: so where is the enforcement? Sep 10
 * Supersecret **: I already do Sep 10
 * Elliott **: Some discrete aspects of gaming & pedagogy: Authority (who should make the rules?) Design (how best to make the rules?) Affordances (What does this get us?) Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: Thanks Elliot Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: we can prob roll badges into it Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Or badges can have their own :) Sep 10
 * Elliott **: Given that a defining aspect of games if choosing to follow rules, maybe also Buy-in (why would someone voluntarily play by the rules?) Sep 10
 * Jade **: can the ipod and incorporating technology go together? Sep 10
 * Supersecret **: . Sep 10
 * Supersecret **: . Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: @supersecret. Ever tried to merge the reputations that you have built in different identities? Sep 10
 * Andrea **: Apply for a thatcamp bootcamp fellowship. @http://thatcamp.org/go/fellowships Sep 10
 * Supersecret **: They often conflict Sep 10
 * Jade **: Plug, if you are in the area, there are still 6 spaces left for THATCamp RTP, October 16th http://thatcamprtp.org Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Also re gaming what about value of production and integration of design of games into class work Sep 10
 * Elliott **: Entrepreneurship vs open source? entrepreneurship AS open source? Sep 10
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 * slgrant **: what constitutes a game? (gaming + pedagogy) David Gibson Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: The gaming convo in room 240 is splitting out with a separate group talking about badges. Sep 10
 * Clarissa Lee **: am sorry that i had to leave before the unconference, had another forum to attend, but i will be contributing to the wiki from afar and am watching all that's going on from twitter and chat Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: Interesting that when the folks in 240 forked, they split (unintentionally, I assume) into an all-male group and a mostly-female group. Sep 10
 * Jade **: @Ruby. Ha! Which is which? I'm guessing badges is male? Sep 10
 * Jade **: yes that was me outing my biases. Sep 10
 * Clarissa Lee **: talking about games, which group is talking about non-traditional games and game deisgns for non-game designers as a 'space' for playing-out 'scholarly' arguments Sep 10
 * Clarissa Lee **: @EEliot : rules or ethics? rules in games in my experience seem to be merely the outlining of the limitations and space of movement allowed of the gamer Sep 10
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 * juliekeane **: @Ruby I noticed that as well @Jade, You guessed right Sep 10
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 * slgrant **: need to read up on amygdala and what's going on there in gaming -- to help explain why first-person shooter/dying engages players Sep 10
 * Fiona **: Here's a badge-cloud: http://www.tagxedo.com/app.html?url... Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: Cool, Fiona! What was the input for that? Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: @jade yes badges is male Sep 10
 * Fiona **: folks are talking about Pauli Murray in a bunch of sessions. Here's a pic of one of hte early workshops developing the murals for around Durham -- at my house, on my walls! @http://twitpic.com/2n3ovb Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: Anyone else using Flickr today? Don't forget to tag photos P3Workshop. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/p... Sep 10
 * Fiona **: @Ruby - the wikispace for p3 -- not sure if it included the sessions or not. Sep 10
 * slgrant **: Lee Sheldon's class came up in gaming + pedagogy: http://www.hastac.org/blogs/slgrant... Sep 10
 * slgrant **: popsicles in the hallway!! Sep 10
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 * Ruby@HASTAC **: LAST MINUTE UPDATE: Feminist Pedagogy is ON, it's in the cafe (basement) on the end far from the TV. Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: Enjoy the second round of sessions, everyone! Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: Come to feminist pedagogy! Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: (or non patriarchal pedagogy) Sep 10
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 * Fiona **: here's another pic of the Pauli Murray mural in progress : @http://twitpic.com/2n3q11 Sep 10
 * Fiona **: collective design and colors and surround, then taken and blown up for the mural - all completed with community workshops and engagements Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: Hey all I'm missing a black LG phone. Black rubber case w rat nibbles from my pets. :) lmk if you see it plz! Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: great fem ped conversation going on right now. How to raise anti patriarchal issues wo alienating students? Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Also thinking ab media production in classroom Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Margaret is in favor of remixing films to emphasize certain types of representations Sep 10
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 * Ruby@HASTAC **: 10 minute warning everyone! Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: Come back to room 240 at 4:45. I will be reminding you in person shortly. Sep 10
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 * Ruby@HASTAC **: Hey backchannel, want to help crowdsource an important decision? Where should we go for dinner/drink after the reception? Sep 10
 * Ruby@HASTAC **: Also, it's time to wrap it up, please join us in 240 for a closing session! Sep 10
 * Jade **: we'll be up soon. Sep 10
 * projector **: Nevermind the crowdsourcing, The Federal is the place to go. But hang around for the reception first! Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: Does the federal have the capacity for all of us? Seemed small last night... Sep 10
 * Elliott **: The joyce does! outdoor beer garden out back... Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: Feminist pedagogy group ROCKS!!! Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: Is wiki mobile friendly? Sep 10
 * Supersecret **: I feel obscured Sep 10
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 * Samuel del Iglesia **: You should, secret. Sep 10
 * Supersecret **: :) Sep 10
 * Supersecret **: ;) Sep 10
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 * Elliott **: FYI, google grants to study its digitized books: http://chronicle.com/article/Google... Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: Negotiating project to meet all needs. Community goals - community outcomes Sep 10
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 * Bridget Draxler **: A few links for digital humanities projects discussion: @http://cit.duke.edu/, @http://hypercities.com/, @http://omeka.org/, @http://nowcomment.com/ Sep 10
 * Elliott **: Burning library game: choices reflect what type of scholarship is possible, excellent illustration of incomplete historical record Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: Private universe project has series on elem sch math. Game-like in pre-gaming world
 * Jade **: @http://www.qwocmap.org/ Sep 10
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 * Clare **: actually it's not really a "burning library" game... that was just one scene Sep 10
 * Clare **: although that label will probably stick now... Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Ps we should share Twitter names to expand our networks... Speaking of isolation Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: I am NazcatheMad... Haven't been on Twitter backchannel bc tweet deck fails :( Sep 10
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 * SAM **: Call it "Burning Library Escape" oh yeah Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: yeah Clare sorry for misrepresenting! Just thought that was a fun example Sep 10
 * Elliott **: Escape from the Burning Library of Doom (and its effects on medieval literature scholarship) Sep 10
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 * Amanda Phillips **: @Elliot lvl up Sep 10
 * John Jones **: @Amanda: I'm @johnmjones on Twitter Sep 10
 * Elliott **: I have a confession: I don't have anything to do with twitter. Nothing personal, I'm not misanthropic. Catch me on academia.edu instead. Sep 10
 * Clare **: this is exactly why I *probably* won't be using backchat with my large undergrad classes... Sep 10
 * SAM **: Japanese RPG translation: My Final Burning Library Fantasy VIII Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: @Elliot LEVEL DOWN >:O Sep 10
 * Clare **: Stop! Stop it now! Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: ;) Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: I remember the vis thesaurus examples ab brought in terms of gender were a tough sell for the engineers Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: at hgi Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: @Amanda so tool choice becomes a badge? And Tweeting moves you up a level? Sep 10
 * Fiona **: @http://omeka.org/ Sep 10
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 * Fiona **: I've started putting tombstone markers on the top of dead class projects Sep 10
 * Fiona **: i.e. this site was used from xxxx-xxxx Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: @Fiona. Why do class projects die? Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: @nils yes! You got the Scholar Twit badge :D Sep 10
 * Fiona **: here are omeka examples: @http://omeka.org/showcase/ Sep 10
 * Fiona **: @nils especially when they're about local or contemporary issues -- the burden of 'updating' or being represented as complete when the projects are over seems important in some situations Sep 10
 * Elliott **: http://academia.edu I need more people to join so they can give me badges. Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: @ruby when you get a chance can you add the orange co middle school to the game pedagogy report? Wd like to look up later Sep 10
 * Fiona **: ppl are on academia.edu?? Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: I am Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: it tells me when ive been google searched Sep 10
 * Elliott **:  Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: @Fiona. Thnx. I interpreted "die" to mean failure, not completion Sep 10
 * Fiona **: they spam all the disciplinary listservs constantly - i didn't know ppl were actually using it Sep 10
 * Jade **: http://www.p2pu.org http://www.drumbeat.org/p2pu-webcra... Sep 10
 * MCL **: @Ruby Please add to the Taxonomy and Knowledge seciton, the challenges we face when close-reading new technological forms. That really blew my mind to think about! Sep 10
 * Fiona **: (I was referencing academia.edu above) Sep 10
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 * Nilspete **: Class course curriculum community. A hierarchy of learning settings Sep 10
 * John Jones **: Class, course, curriculum, community diagram by @Nilspete @http://twitpic.com/2n4ha4 Sep 10
 * Jade **: Also, @http://all.thepublicschool.org/ very cool. Sep 10
 * Nilspete **: Advising was another topic Sep 10
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 * John Jones **: @Fiona I think this thread has doubled academia.edu's traffic for today Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Can we hand out p3 badges?? Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: I earned back channeler Sep 10
 * Clare **: and if anyone wants to be part of Victoria and my "Experiencing Virtual Worlds" working group on Duke campus over the next year - our theme will be pedagogy and games - then please email me: jcwoods@duke.edu. thank you !! Sep 10
 * Elliott **: We should backchannel while drinking at the Joyce Sep 10
 * Amanda Phillips **: Cathy gets goddess badge